How Close Together Can I Put 23 Ga. Brads Into a 1/2" Plywood Edge?
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Flint, Mi.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2022 07:02 pm
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How-do-you-do all, You have said that Baltic Birch plywood is a expert wood to use to make magic props/boxes etc. I agree the woods is squeamish and thin and strong. My problem is I no nothing well-nigh woodworking.. LOL..
Even though I'thousand using very thin brad nails and woods glue to make my box, the blast splits the 1/four inch plywood. Someone told me to pre drill the nail holes. Is this what y'all guys exercise? I'grand talking about tiny brad nails. I was looking at my old Abbotts Zombie box. It looks like the aforementioned thickness of wood, and I tin run into the nails and then I know they used nails. So do I predrill or is in that location an eaiser way? THANKS!
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Posted: Feb 19, 2022 08:25 pm
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Try a pneumatic pin nailer. I use a Porter-Cable nailer with 23ga pins and take no splits. These pins are headless and the forest" heals" over the pin. The pins come in a variety of lengths.
MR
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Posted: Feb xix, 2022 09:44 pm
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You don't demand to spend the money on a nailer (I don't own i), even though it would work well.
If yous are nailing into the edge of i/4" Baltic Birch, I'll assume yous are besides nailing THROUGH a slice the same thickness.
First of all, brand sure you lot are using VERY thin brads... #18, #19, or #xx volition practise. #17 and #16 are probably too thick for this thickness of forest. 3/4" length is plenty.
Adjacent, make sure the work piece is stablized. Have the joint clamped whenever possible, but be certain there is solid ground under the slice. There is nothing that will make this harder than trying to drive a smash into a spongey workpiece.
It helps to start the brad in the first piece before you marry the two pieces. If y'all are running a series of brads up the length (in most cases you will), then start them all earlier bringing the glue joints together. Exist sure to bulldoze them straight into the forest, so they will run dead centre and not fade to ane side or the other. I Ever utilize a pair of needle nose pliers to set brads. This helps marshal them, but besides gives the brad support so information technology doesn't bend. Slight bends will cause a nail to turn like a curve ball when information technology'south hammered home.
IF a nail does desire to pop through the side, it is better to end before driving it all the way dwelling, so that you can pull it and get-go a new blast in a slightly dissimilar position. Never endeavour to reuse a brad that you've had problems with or had to pull. Just throw it away and go a new ane, even if it looks practiced. If a nail does pop through the side and yous tin can't remove it without further damage to the woods, but go along your fingers crossed that it is on the outside where yous tin can sand it away and paint over it. 
Do NOT attempt to nail a brad also shut to the terminate of a board, especially at a corner. Zero will be gained in strength, so stay at least 3/4" abroad from the corner.
Pre-drilling is something that I only practice if I plan to utilise the brad equally a pivot hinge, and not for a secure joint. It can exist washed, though. But, I usually figure if I have to pre-drill for a blast, the nail is likewise long. (Screws are a different story).
A play a trick on I learned from my Grandad many moons ago is to poke the nail in a bar of soap before you utilise it. This allows it to slide into the wood with less friction. It helps somewhat, I suppose, just I rarely discover myself doing it anymore.
There are worse example scenarios, but if there is a ray of hope, worse case scenarios are why wood filler was invented! Another fix for minor edge splits is to run in some CA gum until you've filled the gap, and then practice some cosmetic sanding to eliminate any bulges.
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Cailf.
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Posted: Feb 19, 2022 09:48 pm
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Pin nailers are bang-up and will exercise the trick merely can be expensive to buy for limited usage. Yous will besides need an air compressor for a pneumatic nailer. If yous are manus driving 18Ga nails, you will probably demand to pre-drill to avoid splitting the 1/4" plywood.
The majority of the belongings power is accomplished by the glue. Make sure y'all use a good woodworker's gum like Tightbond. If border gluing finish grain, or plywood, put a light coat of glue on the stop grain and permit information technology soak in, and so apply a second glaze and assemble the parts. Clench deeply, or pin nail to hold information technology all together until dry.
I have made octagonal "grab all" or sewing boxes for years and take never needed annihilation other than glue to hold the sides together. But make sure that all of the pieces fit properly earlier gluing, pre-glue the terminate grain equally described in a higher place and clamp until dry out.
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Posted: February 19, 2022 10:25 pm
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Michael got his reply in while I was posting mine...Good advice from a great builder! I had i other idea. It may aid to irksome the tip of your brad nail a little flake earlier y'all drive it into the forest. This will assistance the brad to punch its way through the wood instead of pushing information technology aside which is what causes the splitting. I take used this method with keen success in larger projects with finishing nails, just have never tried information technology with brad nails, I went for the pneumatic pin nailer approach.
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Posted: February 20, 2022 x:13 am
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Although I survived without a pin nailer for years it is probably my favorite tool these days. It is always at artillery length I even carry it with me betwixt the wood shop and finish shop and then I always have it all the fourth dimension. I want two of them. Just Michael is right you lot don't need one to practice boxes and the joints can be made without ane. The 23 g. porter cable at $120 has paid for itself many times over in fourth dimension saved for me. Of course I already had a couple of compressors.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2022 eleven:26 am
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A pin nailer easily allows nailing at an bending to assistance hold the parts together not just in position.
MR
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Posted: February 20, 2022 01:20 pm
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Alright, you guys are twisting my arm. Ha! I may merely have to salvage up for a new toy!
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Posted: Feb 20, 2022 01:41 pm
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Michael, spend the coin and get a proficient 1 (not HF). My forst (inexpensive) one would work perfectly until the glue was practical to the woods, and then it would jam almost 1/2 way through the nailing process and the gum would dry before I coul clear the jam. VERY frustrating!
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Posted: February 20, 2022 01:48 pm
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On 2011-02-twenty 14:20, Michael Bakery wrote:
Alright, you guys are twisting my arm. Ha! I may but have to save upwardly for a new toy!
Michael, information technology will modify your life. Mine is 1 of those Porter Cable combo air/battery jobs. Love it.
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Flintstone, Mi.
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Posted: Feb twenty, 2022 03:52 pm
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Wow... Thanks guys!!! Michael, were you spying on me... Were you lot watching me trying to pound these boards together on my floor all wobbly with no clamp, angle brad subsequently brad and cursing as I hit my fingers tring to concur those niggling things. Then putting the nails all the mode at the ends then it would exist stronger.. LOL... No pun intended but "You Nailed It"
I'm going to get-go practice this without the nailer and then I tin learn how to do it, just after that I for sure see a Porter Cable pin nailer in my future.
Thanks over again, you have all been very helpful.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2022 05:14 pm
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I accept seen some new models of pin nailers that volition shoot 3/eight" micro pins. Everyone have whatever experience with these?
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Posted: Feb 20, 2022 09:26 pm
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Pneumatic nails are not sharp, they are actually blunted on the end. Sharp points divide woods. Simply blunt the end a flake. Turn the brad upside downwards and give a couple of light taps on the point to boring information technology. Aforementioned goes for working with larger nails in very grainy woods that similar to dissever. Simply dull the chisel point on the nail or brad a scrap.
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Posted: Feb 21, 2022 12:00 am
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Craig,
Thanks for the tip on the electrical nailer. Beats dragging out the hose and firing up the compressor for a few nails.
Male parent Photius, aye, whatever finish carpenter would tell one to tap the finish of the nails with their hammer on the nail supported on a solid surface creating a apartment edge. Works every time.
Doc
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Flint, Mi.
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Posted: February 21, 2022 02:45 pm
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Posted: Feb 21, 2022 02:53 pm
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No, 23ga is quite a bit smaller. Re: a comment made higher up, the Porter-Cable 23ga pins are non apartment on the stop. They have a sharp double wedged point.
MR
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Flint, Mi.
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Posted: Feb 21, 2022 03:24 pm
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Ok... Got it now... Cheers..
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Posted: Jul ii, 2022 09:16 am
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On 2011-02-21 16:24, The Magic Ref wrote:
Ok... Got information technology at present... Cheers..
Costco has a pretty practiced (and cheap) brad nailer.
I think it is a must have information technology yous are making anything more than "one off" or if you are making a agglomeration of "1 offs"
Doug
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